Dr. Horrible act III thoughts and a tiny thing I heard about TDK (tiny spoilers)

[cold_nostalgia]

Okay, so I didn't see that ending coming.  I should have done, it is Whedon we're talking about after all, but he totally blindsided me this time around.  It was probably because Buffy and Angel aren't fresh in my memory and I haven't bothered to revisit them since the shows finished, but still, I should seen it coming.  God forbid anyone should end up happy in Whedonverse.

However, despite the punch in the gut, I was really okay with it.  I thought it was almost beautiful in a way and very fitting. Everything you want in the worst possible way.  Poor Penny.  She totally deserved better than that.  Same with Billy.  I almost even felt sorry for Captain Hammer...almost, not quite.

Overall, I freaking adored Dr.  Horrible's Sing-along-Blong.  It was brilliantly acted, funny, and the songs were brilliant. I really hope they decide to release a DVD of it because I would so buy it.  


Anyway one of my friends decided to tell me that Harley Quinn wasn't in TDK film.  I was, and am, okay with that.  The films are set during the early days of Batman and Harley -in canon at least - is about ages with Dick, it's unlikely that with she or Robin is going to make an appearance.  Not only that but with Harvey, Joker, Scarecrow and the mafia in this film it might of got a little bit too crowded.

And then my friend said, to paraphrase :"Thank fuck for that, she doesn't belong in this film."

And a character like Scarecrow does?

The problem with Harley is that too many people think of B:tas and remember this little silly goofball, forgetting how exactly she came to be this way in the first place.  Has nobody heard of Patty Hearst, the queen of stockholm syndrome?

No nonsense psychiatrist  attempts to cure the most insane man on the planet, stares into the void a little too long and it destroys her.  Her origin is rather dark, take away the professions of love, the goofiness, the silly jokes and you're left with a very creepy, very dark character.  Think Batman #663 without the tears at the end.  

So yeah, Harley could have easily fitted into the Nolanverse with the right amount of tweaking, any character could.  Ivy? Drop the leaf-look and put her in charge of a eco-terrorist organisation.  Mad Hatter?  Drop the costume.  Penguin?  Tone down the more bird-like attributes and make him a mafia boss.  It's not difficult.  Christ.

As I said, I'm not bothered by  the lack of Harley, what does bother me is sweeping statements like that.  Especially when it's made by someone who's supposed to be a Harley/Joker fan of all things. 

Comments

[museofspeed.livejournal.com]

I didn't expect Harley in this film. I certainly wouldn't be sad if she showed up in the future, but this film would have been the wrong place for her.

It also bugs me that everyone's like "Robin sucks and he shouldn't be in our Batman films!" Robin's got a lot of history. I'm not saying he should leap into the films with short pants and pixie boots shouting, "Holy grim and gritty, Batman!" or whatever, but he could be worked in there. I read a good idea of how he could come into the films without child endangerment or pixie boots. It'd involve him mostly just training and working behind the scenes until he gets older. I'd love to see it.

And Dr. Horrible made me so sad! I was literally yelling at my computer in hopes that it'd change. But it didn't.

I'm gonna go watch it again now. Maybe this time she won't die!

[cold-nostalgia.livejournal.com]

As I said, I'm totally fine with Harley not appearing in this film. I wasn't expecting her to be in it.

But to keep hearing that she has no place in the Nolanverse just ever so slightly ticks me off. Any character: Penguin, Robin, Hells Maxie-Zeus could fit into Nolanverse after a few minor adjustments. The narrowmindness of the fandom pisses me off sometimes.

And Dr. Horrible left me with a lump in my throat. :)

[museofspeed.livejournal.com]

I completely agree.

Though I'll admit, I have absolutely no idea how they'd fit the Ten-Eyed Man in there.

[cold-nostalgia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that'd be a tricky one...be interesting to see how they would do it though.

[museofspeed.livejournal.com]

See, that's why I hate the whole "no place for such and such character" thing. Part of the fun is taking goofy characters and making them serious! The Joker was originally a goofy character! Two-Face decides people's fates based on a fricking coin-flip! Done differently, that could just be dumb!

Hell, Batman himself's had his share of goofiness.

Now I want to see a completely serious, creepy version of the Rainbow Raider.

[cold-nostalgia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the silver age wasn't that kind to many characters, Batman included.

And Rainbow Raider in Nolanverse would be a very interesting sight to see. :)

[museofspeed.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking either a homicidal gay rights crusader or a homophobe determined to stamp out homosexuality in others while he himself is a gay. Though, of course, very closeted.

[cold-nostalgia.livejournal.com]

That would work. :)